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		<title>By: Joe Wein</title>
		<link>http://www.joewein.net/blog/2009/01/21/google-groups-spam-abuse-reporting-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-14391</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Wein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Google has addressed the issue - the Google Groups pages now have a &quot;Report this group&quot; link at the bottom. 

If you click this, you can have the group shut down.

In addition, I am logging groups advertised by spam seen in my spam feed. I report them to a contact inside Google in bulk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Google has addressed the issue &#8211; the Google Groups pages now have a &#8220;Report this group&#8221; link at the bottom. </p>
<p>If you click this, you can have the group shut down.</p>
<p>In addition, I am logging groups advertised by spam seen in my spam feed. I report them to a contact inside Google in bulk.</p>
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		<title>By: samuel kachmar</title>
		<link>http://www.joewein.net/blog/2009/01/21/google-groups-spam-abuse-reporting-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-13909</link>
		<dc:creator>samuel kachmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crap never ends!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://groups.google.com/group/i5o2guzqn     GOOGLE  SPAM


     From Barbara Williams Fri Mar  6 01:35:28 2009
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<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/i5o2guzqn" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/i5o2guzqn</a>     GOOGLE  SPAM</p>
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		<title>By: George Hart</title>
		<link>http://www.joewein.net/blog/2009/01/21/google-groups-spam-abuse-reporting-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-13230</link>
		<dc:creator>George Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Sheehan,
 
You should go back to your source and ask him what bank the funds have been transferred to here in the USA.  Do you have a Owners Funds Rights Certificate? If not can he get it for you. Do you have an anti-terrorist certificate in your possession?  These are certificates that will be demanded here in the USA for any bank to make the transfer to your account.  Remember these are large sums of money. You will need these proofs. These certificates are expensive. he should know that you will need them to have funds transferred to your bank ---here or not.  I am not aware the funds are here but they may be.  If I remember the transfer is from HSBC. I will further contact to see if the funds are actually here in the USA.
 
Has your counterpart, Mr. Jonathan, put up any funds during this process? Or only you!
 
I will double check everything in the office Monday morning.
 
Have a blessed weekend
 
With regards,
 
 
George Hart
Financial Advocate/Counselor
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MR HART:
 
I JUST GOT AN E-MAIL; FROM BARISTER JONATHAN NORRIS AND I AM GOING TO FORWARD TO YOU.  HE SAYS THE MONEY IS HERE IN THE STATES AND NOW I AM WONDERING WHAT IS GOING ON.  LET ME KNOW OKAY, I AM TAKING YOUR WORD FOR IT AND NOT WHAT HE SAYS. 
 
 
MR SHEEHAN





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Sheehan,</p>
<p>You should go back to your source and ask him what bank the funds have been transferred to here in the USA.  Do you have a Owners Funds Rights Certificate? If not can he get it for you. Do you have an anti-terrorist certificate in your possession?  These are certificates that will be demanded here in the USA for any bank to make the transfer to your account.  Remember these are large sums of money. You will need these proofs. These certificates are expensive. he should know that you will need them to have funds transferred to your bank &#8212;here or not.  I am not aware the funds are here but they may be.  If I remember the transfer is from HSBC. I will further contact to see if the funds are actually here in the USA.</p>
<p>Has your counterpart, Mr. Jonathan, put up any funds during this process? Or only you!</p>
<p>I will double check everything in the office Monday morning.</p>
<p>Have a blessed weekend</p>
<p>With regards,</p>
<p>George Hart<br />
Financial Advocate/Counselor<br />
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<p>&#8212; On Sat, 12/13/08, <a href="mailto:llfire9fly6@aol.com">llfire9fly6@aol.com</a>  wrote:</p>
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To: <a href="mailto:gfhart45@yahoo.com">gfhart45@yahoo.com</a><br />
Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 5:36 AM</p>
<p>MR HART:</p>
<p>I JUST GOT AN E-MAIL; FROM BARISTER JONATHAN NORRIS AND I AM GOING TO FORWARD TO YOU.  HE SAYS THE MONEY IS HERE IN THE STATES AND NOW I AM WONDERING WHAT IS GOING ON.  LET ME KNOW OKAY, I AM TAKING YOUR WORD FOR IT AND NOT WHAT HE SAYS. </p>
<p>MR SHEEHAN</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Orrin Herman</title>
		<link>http://www.joewein.net/blog/2009/01/21/google-groups-spam-abuse-reporting-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-13229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Orrin Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HSBC BANK OF UK 
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Direct Contact Informations
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Attn: Mr. Lloyd Sheehan


Sir


Go ahead and contact Mr John West  today, he will loan the money to you.  I have finalized and concluded all the necessary arrangement for  him  Mr John West the financier to give you the US$50,000 so that you can send it to our bank, for our bank to release the money into your account. Therefore, go ahead and contact him so that he could advance the loan to you, tell him to raise the sum of US$50,000 for you which you will use to claim your money from HSBC Bank London



His contact details are as below.


NAME: MR. JOHN WEST

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Contact him and get back to me with your discussion with him


Please try and contact Mr. John West today,



Thanks



Dr Herman Orrin



N/B: I am really sorry for all the difficulties you have suffered so far in the cost of receiving your fund, I promise you it will never happen again.





 








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<p>Attn: Mr. Lloyd Sheehan</p>
<p>Sir</p>
<p>Go ahead and contact Mr John West  today, he will loan the money to you.  I have finalized and concluded all the necessary arrangement for  him  Mr John West the financier to give you the US$50,000 so that you can send it to our bank, for our bank to release the money into your account. Therefore, go ahead and contact him so that he could advance the loan to you, tell him to raise the sum of US$50,000 for you which you will use to claim your money from HSBC Bank London</p>
<p>His contact details are as below.</p>
<p>NAME: MR. JOHN WEST</p>
<p>TEL: 1 6463230811</p>
<p>E-MAIL ADDRESS: <a href="mailto:johnwestconsult@yahoo.com">johnwestconsult@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>Contact him and get back to me with your discussion with him</p>
<p>Please try and contact Mr. John West today,</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Dr Herman Orrin</p>
<p>N/B: I am really sorry for all the difficulties you have suffered so far in the cost of receiving your fund, I promise you it will never happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: joew</title>
		<link>http://www.joewein.net/blog/2009/01/21/google-groups-spam-abuse-reporting-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-13160</link>
		<dc:creator>joew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what’s broken: Most spam recipients have no idea exactly how to report such spam URLs and Google is not giving them any help.

If they go to the help link on Google Groups and look it up, Google never tells them how to report this case. Google abuse procedures mention about how to report Google Groups postings or documents, but not a group as a whole (including its homepage), which is what the spammers take advantage of.

The help system never mentions about abuse@google.com at all when talking about Google Groups. So how are people going to get those spam pages taken down?

Google generally encourages people to use its web forms for abuse reporting instead of abuse@google.com and I can see why: A web form generally gives them more focused machine-readable information, which means quicker, less labour-intensive abuse handling. For example, they can make sure to always get a URL. But in this case there *is* no form and the spam falls between the cracks.

What this means in practice is that spamvertised groups created by the spammers are likely to survive for weeks. I looked through a set of recent spam sample of spams abusing Google Groups stretching back about four weeks. I found that every single link in those spams still worked up to almost a month later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what’s broken: Most spam recipients have no idea exactly how to report such spam URLs and Google is not giving them any help.</p>
<p>If they go to the help link on Google Groups and look it up, Google never tells them how to report this case. Google abuse procedures mention about how to report Google Groups postings or documents, but not a group as a whole (including its homepage), which is what the spammers take advantage of.</p>
<p>The help system never mentions about <a href="mailto:abuse@google.com">abuse@google.com</a> at all when talking about Google Groups. So how are people going to get those spam pages taken down?</p>
<p>Google generally encourages people to use its web forms for abuse reporting instead of <a href="mailto:abuse@google.com">abuse@google.com</a> and I can see why: A web form generally gives them more focused machine-readable information, which means quicker, less labour-intensive abuse handling. For example, they can make sure to always get a URL. But in this case there *is* no form and the spam falls between the cracks.</p>
<p>What this means in practice is that spamvertised groups created by the spammers are likely to survive for weeks. I looked through a set of recent spam sample of spams abusing Google Groups stretching back about four weeks. I found that every single link in those spams still worked up to almost a month later.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.joewein.net/blog/2009/01/21/google-groups-spam-abuse-reporting-broken/comment-page-1/#comment-13148</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so what&#039;s broken? send the email with the link to abuse@google.com (its so obvious, why do they need a link for it?), and they&#039;ll take action.  They have for me, at any rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so what&#8217;s broken? send the email with the link to <a href="mailto:abuse@google.com">abuse@google.com</a> (its so obvious, why do they need a link for it?), and they&#8217;ll take action.  They have for me, at any rate.</p>
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